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	<title>Comments on: Ownership Cultures</title>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;your idea of team responsibility is interesting, i guess, but ultimately, people need personal motivation to work harder. or more importantly, that working harder is valuable to the well-being of the team, which in turn is valuable to the individual, who will be rewarded personally when the team does well collectively. however, as we all learned from that wonderful movie office space, he knew that if he busted his ass to increase the company stock, he didn&#039;t get paid any more, and so he spent his days working just hard enough to not be fired. ask people who have been in some shitty ass job for a while, and i&#039;m sure they&#039;ll agree with the sentiment.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;but what i really want to talk about is how this breaks down even MORE when it comes to mobilizing people who traditionally don&#039;t vote to vote, or even just to give a damn about &quot;team america.&quot; shared cultural identity may be all well and good for middle-class whitey, but he already votes. the real problem with trying to get people to buy into this idea of shared prosperity equals shared gain is that it just ain&#039;t true for a lot of people (i.e. my students) and they know it. when the system has been institutionalized against you, you don&#039;t give a shit about the system (and perhaps rightfully so) and if you do, then you&#039;re either extremely naive or you believe in some sort of trickle-down reganomics bullshit.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;now, i&#039;m not saying that people shouldn&#039;t vote or shouldn&#039;t be involved in the system...absolutely they should because ultimately, that&#039;s the most effective way to make yourself heard (at least, when you have no money, that is). take, for example, the growing political influence of recent hispanic/latino immigrants in florida, texas, cali, etc. what i AM saying, though, is that if you want people to work for the team, the team&#039;s gotta work for them, too. this country needs a widespread change in policy from the top down in addition to a change in mindset from the bottom up.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;my morals: 1. vote. 2. teach. 3. encourage others to do the same.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your idea of team responsibility is interesting, i guess, but ultimately, people need personal motivation to work harder. or more importantly, that working harder is valuable to the well-being of the team, which in turn is valuable to the individual, who will be rewarded personally when the team does well collectively. however, as we all learned from that wonderful movie office space, he knew that if he busted his ass to increase the company stock, he didn&#8217;t get paid any more, and so he spent his days working just hard enough to not be fired. ask people who have been in some shitty ass job for a while, and i&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll agree with the sentiment.</p>

<p>but what i really want to talk about is how this breaks down even MORE when it comes to mobilizing people who traditionally don&#8217;t vote to vote, or even just to give a damn about &#8220;team america.&#8221; shared cultural identity may be all well and good for middle-class whitey, but he already votes. the real problem with trying to get people to buy into this idea of shared prosperity equals shared gain is that it just ain&#8217;t true for a lot of people (i.e. my students) and they know it. when the system has been institutionalized against you, you don&#8217;t give a shit about the system (and perhaps rightfully so) and if you do, then you&#8217;re either extremely naive or you believe in some sort of trickle-down reganomics bullshit.</p>

<p>now, i&#8217;m not saying that people shouldn&#8217;t vote or shouldn&#8217;t be involved in the system&#8230;absolutely they should because ultimately, that&#8217;s the most effective way to make yourself heard (at least, when you have no money, that is). take, for example, the growing political influence of recent hispanic/latino immigrants in florida, texas, cali, etc. what i AM saying, though, is that if you want people to work for the team, the team&#8217;s gotta work for them, too. this country needs a widespread change in policy from the top down in addition to a change in mindset from the bottom up.</p>

<p>my morals: 1. vote. 2. teach. 3. encourage others to do the same.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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